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Manny Pacquiao, All-Time Great Con Man: The Southpaw

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by Fox Doucette

Rumors floating around the magical Intertubes would have you believe that Manny Pacquiao (54-4-2, Give Or Take Three Or Four Gift Decisions) is going to fight Juan Manuel Marquez for a fourth time in December. Boxrec has the date as December 8 against an opponent “TBA”, Dan Rafael reports that Bob Arum told him Marquez is the opponent and the blogosphere has itself lit up with the rumor, thence to run with it.

The response itself has been predictable. Pacquiao’s legion of fart-sniffers claim that Manny will win by early-round knockout because their fighter is the greatest of all time, never mind that Pacquiao has never in his life been able to handle counter punchers in general and Juan Manuel Marquez in particular. For sheer level of baffling ignorance, “did you even see the last fight, you idiot?” is as good a dismissive statement as any. Your columnist has that three-fight series scored two fights to nil for Marquez with the second throwdown ending in a draw.

Speaking of Marquez, though, it seems oddly appropriate that Manny would step in against a guy who is the difference between 54-4-2 and 52-6-2. As the old saying goes, “live by the sword, die by the sword”, and Manny’s WBO title belt went bye-bye after Pacquiao, used to getting completely undeserved raisings of his hand aided and abetted by his fairy godmother of a promoter in Bob Arum, saw that pixie dust sprinkled upon the wheelchair-bound dome of Timothy Bradley. The irony is delicious.

Long and the short of it, Pacquiao will fight Marquez, Marquez will win the fight, and that fact will have little to no bearing at all on the actual scoring when the three blind mice at ringside submit whatever scores their Top Rank overlords assigned to them before the fight. The fix is already in.

The question of Manny Pacquiao’s legacy has always centered not around his days at 130 pounds and below, where he is unquestionably an all-time great (beating Erik Morales like a piñata twice and avenging one of his three legitimate losses—Bradley notwithstanding—in the process tends to cement that).

If Pacquiao had retired in 2008 after the David Diaz fight, he’d have been a genuine champion at four different weights (fly, junior feather, junior lightweight, and lightweight, and he’d have had a fine argument for the featherweight ranks despite the draw when he fought Marquez at 126), he’d have fought a level of opposition that was beyond reproach and knocked a staggering number of those guys out (35 knockouts in his 47 wins as of the Diaz stoppage).

Except for a couple of lingering questions about his chin thanks to those two bizarre knockout losses during his Philippines club fighter flyweight days, we’d be rightly calling Manny Pacquiao a Hall of Famer and an all-time great little guy. Nothing that has happened in the last four years should take away from that.

But here’s the thing. Manny Pacquiao’s legion of fellatio administrators, his adoring fans…they constantly repeat the fiction that Pacquiao is “a world record eight-division world champion” (which he is not; for starters, Pacquiao has only captured belts in seven weight classes, and beyond that, his belt at 140 was the IBO belt, won from Ricky Hatton, that is not considered a “legitimate” world title.) Let’s leave aside the absurdity of that “record”, since great fighters of the past would have had to start their careers at flyweight, end them at heavyweight, and win a world title at every step along the way to get to eight world titles. Anyone much bigger than a strawweight when he turns pro is going to have a hell of a time even doing that much in today’s 17-division sanctioning fee jamboree. As stupid records go, that’s barely better than the Boston Red Sox crowing about their “sellout streak” even as the team sucks balls.

As a welterweight, and many people new to the sport haven’t seen Pacquiao fight below 147 (at least in theory), Pacquiao’s “championship run” has been a farce. Corpses and catchweights combine with hand-picked opponents with name recognition on the downside of their careers to produce the kind of “championship run” that nobody who knows a goddamn thing about boxing should be stupid enough to fall for. Yet there they are, the shills in the media and the frothing fanboys who act like they have a stake in the action, all of them combining in a whirlwind of utterly moronic behavior in order to advance the belief that Manny Pacquiao is a cross between Pernell Whitaker and Sugar Ray Leonard as a welterweight, something that is about as true as Paul Ryan’s assertions about the president.

Make no mistake; I think Manny Pacquiao is a Hall of Famer. But this run of idiocy ever since he moved up in weight beyond the level where he was an honest-to-gods champion just makes him look like a guy who’s more interested in cashing in (which, if reports are to be believed, he can’t even do properly because Arum and his entourage are bleeding him dry) than being the all-time great fighter he was as of the David Diaz fight.

And yet here we go again. Juan Manuel Marquez. A fourth fight nobody wanted. And people will buy the pay-per-view and act surprised when Pac wins an undeserved decision. Plus ça change…

Fox Doucette covers Friday Night Fights for The Boxing Tribune. His weekly column, The Southpaw, appears on Thursdays. Fan mail, hate mail, and more hate mail can be sent to

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  1. boxmeister

    September 13, 2012 at 6:00 pm

    Wow..really? After you have seen Pacquiao put boxing on its feet again, here you go bashing him when he starts to age and wane. It is still does not hide the fact that Pacquiao became a cross over star as an Asian phenom. Give him credit where credit is due. His record and achievements are the result of boxing fans’ excitement whenever he enters the ring. Who can you name from Asia who did these in America?…NOBODY! Even Chris John of Indonesia who is undefeated and Toshiro Nishioka of Japan never got the same adulation from the entire world. His glory days are over and it is expected when one fighter ages and is a natural course in every boxer’s career. Leech Arum is just milking him until the last drop but that is not purely his fault. Why don’t you writer, get inside the ring with the best out there and see if you can survive the first round.

  2. rock

    September 13, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Fox Doucebag…

  3. Fox Doucette is Shit

    September 13, 2012 at 6:11 pm

    In those days pac fought as what you said down the hill opponents who do you think deserved to be in that position during that days? Mayweather dodging pac and those boxer that pac fought at that time are quality opponents. They are on top of the list by organization bodies. So who do you think should pac fought by that time? Huh…

    If pac were american there would be no questions asked here but since his Asian most of Americans like you idiot. Give no credit where the credit is due.

    How about this find someone you can box that is 16 lbs over than you and will see what happen. All you know is talk and talk but not walk the walk.

    Stupid Fox Doucette

  4. frat

    September 13, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    Fox, what’s your problem??

  5. Mar Lansangan

    September 13, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    Hey Fox,you’re some like a fart of a fan……

  6. Napoleon

    September 13, 2012 at 6:21 pm

    America is a great country my only comment is why do you Americans allow things to happen then you are making such good analysis of how it is done. Anyway, we lost and enjoy but many have shared rewards from what you think con-arrangement. This is life and we are here to entertain and be entertained. God bless

  7. Romeo

    September 13, 2012 at 6:49 pm

    I think you have a very foxy argument and you are more of a con than the person you are pointing a finger at. Are you disturbed that Bradley was nor chosen and he can’t defend his title wheelchairrweight belt? Bradley is a champion. Oh well, why is that nobody wants to fight him? You know the answer.

    Try a better argument. ok?

  8. Dominguillo III Bravo

    September 13, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    FART you FOX! lol

  9. magno

    September 13, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    fox, you are truly a dman moron skanky fox.

  10. jb

    September 13, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    you make valid points but show some respect asshole.

  11. magno

    September 13, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    bank account is on top list at this stage, not shoving your rotten toes into the other fellow’s shoes makes you the most stupid moron.

  12. junior

    September 13, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    what a moron this fox guy is hahaha

  13. magno

    September 13, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    ratio and proportion fox: how many times did marquez lick the canvas under the hands of the legendary pac? my 1 year old son will utter more sensibly than you bloody kupal fox.


    September 13, 2012 at 8:03 pm

    atleast we are many!…but you? you are the only fart sniffer that bradley has…. u can even eat his black shit!

  15. Guest

    September 13, 2012 at 8:19 pm

    fox, You’re last name should be douche bag.

  16. denze

    September 13, 2012 at 8:20 pm

    Floyd first professional fight was at 130 lbs in 1996; Pacquiao 106 lbs in 1995. Pacquiao has fought a guy 44 lbs heavier (Margarito) than his fighting weight in 1996; Floyd climbed 24 lbs (against Cotto who was also a welterweight like him in 2006). If you can’t see the greatness of Pacman’s achievement, then imagine this: ask Floyd to fight Ward, Froch, Bute, Kessler at 168 lbs (130+38 lbs) or any other light heavyweight at a catchweight of 174 lbs. Here’s another comparison: ask Ward to fight fighters at cruiserweight or heavy weight divisions and if wins he’s comparable to what Pacquiao has demonstrated as a possible achievement in boxing

  17. Marco Diaz

    September 13, 2012 at 8:37 pm

    Fox you should be grateful also to Manny Paquiao because even if you write negative things about PACMAN the result is positive. Your earning money.

  18. Raymond10

    September 13, 2012 at 9:04 pm

    I’m a bit lost with this writer, is he a fan or a lunatic writer….

  19. Vic

    September 13, 2012 at 9:14 pm

    Manny won the Ring magazine belt at 140 as well, which was the lineal title.

  20. Stephen Saldivar Cagulada

    September 13, 2012 at 9:34 pm

    How about you and me in a bout Fox? I can beat your ass black and blue anytime, anywhere. This writer has so much hate and jealousy to Manny Pacquaio maybe because Manny is an Asian, maybe because this writer cannot accept that an Asian is the boxing King of this generation. This writer is stupid beyond comprehension!

  21. mark

    September 13, 2012 at 10:21 pm

    u r the f*ckin idiot! 3-4 fights which are gift decisions? can you name those fights? you are talking bullshit!

  22. neb

    September 13, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    FOX,why so jealous of pacquiaos accomplishment or you you just pretend to hate pacquiao just to earn money.

  23. Billy

    September 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    You’re a loser, bro. I make a point of never posting on these things but every article you write (especially those regarding Pacquiao) is one-eyed and biased to the tilt – a charge the editor of this site frequently levels at the ‘shills’ (seriously, get a new word) comprising the mainstream boxing media. You honestly sound like you’re jilted – Pac refuse an interview one day? Oh no, that’s right, you guys don’t do interviews. Thats something reserved for the mainstream shills, who are spoonfed questions by the fighter’s advisor. I originally liked this site but you guys increasingly come across as bitter, jaded and holier than thou. You’re no better than the guys you spend 90% of your articles railing against. And no, you’re not funny (far from it), so stop trying to be!

  24. tony

    September 13, 2012 at 11:24 pm

    fox…are you a martian….?…seems you are from outer space….

  25. tarik

    September 14, 2012 at 12:14 am

    Fox, whats up we the rant!… I feel u… here somethings you did not consider about Manny…
    1. Manny’s two losses — Manny was eating Fishes nd vegetable, if has something to eat. think about that for moment… now he is eating lots of protein, makes him more agile, powerful with the same reasoning, explains why he can knockout fighters from 106 -147 lbs… Its a poor country,
    2. 8 division belt — regardless of IBO creditation to boxing world, dont you think Champions with the IBO built sees it as such u described. its a tool of recognition and to land big fights.
    3. Manny/ Manuel fights are good fights and will talk about for decades..”Thats why its a good fight 4)

    it is well written article… thank you!… I look forward for the next one… maybe about Paul Ryan?. 🙂

  26. sophie

    September 14, 2012 at 12:51 am

    Fox you are damn wise to smear Pacqiao’s reputation to get readers’ attention.. very wise.

  27. Peevs

    September 14, 2012 at 1:27 am

    Pacman is underdog with delahoya giving up a lot of height advantage. That is one of the best run in boxing no arguments on that. I feel ur making his accomplishment less by wrting this article

  28. josh avila

    September 14, 2012 at 1:33 am

    Wow, this guy fox hates manny so much it alters his perception of reality! First of all the reference to manny not having a chin is total bullshit, if he had done his homework like a real boxing writer should, he would know that those two knockouts were from body shots dumbass! I don’t think this guy could ever give manny credit even if the pacman discovered the cure for aids! Frankly this type of hate filled subliminal racism is a shame to our freedom of speech. This guy has no business writing about the sport of boxing.

  29. OSCAR

    September 14, 2012 at 1:55 am

    Are you faggot you hatin so much coz you couldnt satisfy your lust on Pacman..what a loser!!

  30. enrico

    September 14, 2012 at 2:02 am

    fox douxette – it is your idiotic opinion that a fight is not legit if it is done in a catch weight, for me the catch weight fight is done if the fighters agree to meet at the middle because of their differences in size or weight, in order to even the playing field. now if we will neglect the pacman fight agains delahoya and margarito who you will fill out pacman record of : 54-4-2? and if IBO is not legit why dont you abolished it? if then fighters start at flyweight and end up at HW – can you give me names of those fighter supported with a legit records ? handpicked opponent? ricky hatton, miguel cotto, oscar delahoya, clootey margarito is a hand pick? oh my gosh wr writer these names are champions in their own right and you saw that hand pick? where is your brain? and mayweather fight is not? I cant believed what sanity you have in writing this piece.

  31. cent

    September 14, 2012 at 2:42 am

    This FOx genius forgot to mention Manny’s lineal and ring titles. Well, obviously this dude is a genuine pachater.

  32. vj

    September 14, 2012 at 3:41 am


  33. Maico Tanquezon

    September 14, 2012 at 5:53 am

    Fox Doucette an IDIOT…..Manny Pacquiao won 7+1 division championships excluding the IBO junior welter but man Pacquiao beat the best of the Division he conquered even u say that some are handpickeds fight…David Diaz is a champion too that time and remember Margarito is 175 pounds over the Junior Middleweight when they fought,even they are fighting at a catchweight man Pacquiao climb weight also and that’s not normal to his size and normal weight but still Pacquiao dominates those BIG MEN..Pacquiao fought ODL at a catcthweight of 145 that’s 10lbs over the weight of Manny,why dont Ward and Mayweather fight Martinez and Chavez to their weight and Ward fought Dawson at 175 than 168lbs and if handpickeds also they should be fighting Lara,Quilin,Kirkland,Angulo,Molina,Martirosyan,Bute,Pascal,Povetkin,Klitchsko and more..thats ridiculous article fox…ur crazy

  34. Jessie lenz

    September 14, 2012 at 2:15 pm

    Stupidest writer of all time..

  35. Taylor Spliff

    September 14, 2012 at 10:19 pm

    Fox Douchette?? sorry unknown… A Very Unfair and Bias article about nothing really but uncontrolled emotions of a fanboy, equivalent to a brain fart.. what a waste of a minute to read . + the seconds to write this.. stick to the Gossip section of Teen magazines.. Ciao!!

  36. Taylor Spliff

    September 14, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    this is just a cheap ploy for Fox to write this article,, just to get views.. what a dyck rider.. No Honor in ur profession whatsoever.. its like putting OBAMA SEX SCANDAL as headlines then talk about another subject… smfh.. Its professional attention whoring at its finest! clap for ur self Fox.. now try it with one hand…

  37. Jaded

    September 15, 2012 at 3:19 am


  38. Travis R.

    September 15, 2012 at 8:24 pm

    you pinoys or filipinos -i dont know which who but whatever, should be thankful enough to these americans.they are truly a democratic country compared
    to other imitator ungenuine countries who just copy original successful countries but then when it comes to application they do the opposite.i think if if you were in other countries manny pacquiao
    would have never existed in thefirst place.a talent like manny pacqiao would have never given a chance or opportunity if americans did not do right thing of just letting people be what they want to be.
    so what about you proud? pinoys whats being proud means when you yourselves can’t be democratic enough or fair enough to your own countrymen .as far as i know you have oppression prejudices inequality
    against your own indigenous people like the aetas,muslims,igorots etc, and so on.i think you should focus in your own local problems before you complain of being judge by these successful proven countries…
    i rest my case .i know a lot of you fool pinoys will ambush me like you do in your politicians businessmen etc.because i struck hard truth against you.”i will never answer back to a FOOL”..period.

  39. JesseKaellis

    September 26, 2012 at 4:19 pm

    Good, concise analysis of a artfully moved fighter. Roach is one shrewd f*cking Irishman and he got himself into the HOF as an all time great trainer. Pacquiao is being exposed and so is Roach for anybody with half a brain. I watched Bradley steal the fight with guys from my gym including Tony Pep. We just shrugged our shoulders. What goes around comes around.

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